If we want to doubt Barnes, then look at the Hodgdon load data for the 110gr VMax: 2474FPS, both 16 barrels. I looked it up and from the Wilson's Combat website the ballistics look really good especially when compared to the 300 Blackout. The powders that worked well for the .300 HAMR included Accurate 1680 and Hodgdon CFE BLK. I know this cartridge was never intended to be used subsonic but has anyone tried it? It is light and extremely well balanced. WC 300 HAMR case I all so hand load for it . Mr. Clark, the AR pattern rifle is one of the most common hunting rifles in America. While the Hornady retained only 42 percent of its weight, it was the heaviest bullet so it still penetrated 7 inches. Bill's goal was to approach .308 Winchester levels on a round that's compatible within standard AR-15 architecture. Its not what I would want to lay prone behind all day, but its light weight, shoulders solid and very quickly, and establishes a good cheek-stock-weld for me. Save my name and email to use for future comments. Bill Wilson has done exactly that. The extremely short history of that making is Bill Wilson took the 7.6240 case developed by Kurt Buchert, lengthened it by .040 and stuffed it full of Hogdons new CFEBLK powder. A 1:15 twist rate for the barrels nished the equation. Will stick to .308 and .300BLK, surplus, popularity, and availability win my money. All of them are worthy of shooting. PDF 300 HAM'R LOAD DATA 9-15F1 - Wilson Combat But. 160gr Hornady FTX #30395. I can, however, report that no five-round group I shot with either round printed groups outside of its own lead splash on the target. Max load: 27.5gr A1680 or 28.0gr H CFEBLK Given how thick the brush was, and the fact that night was coming on, even if the pig only ran 30 yards, hed be hard to find and really hard to recover. Anyone who has been playing with handloading for 20+ years can see that the Hamr in 30 caliber has a huge advantage. Wilson Combat is for one thing and one thing only, bragging rights. Devastating. With either Blackout or 300 HAMR, look at the rounds loaded into a magazine box and see that the larger diameter bullet in the shorter case sits down lower, nearer to the follower ridge. The 300 Hamr is built in the traditional AR-15 footprint, and uses the AR-15 bolt carrier group and 5.55NATO/.223Rem bolt. If you dont hunt pigs, you dont shoot pigs, so I headed out to a particularly wooded area the very first night I was there, knowing it would likely take several mornings and evenings of hunting to be successful. Ammunition Available from the Wilson Combat Website, 110gr Sierra HP-V Ugh another caliber for the AR. All I see is benefit from this round and I cant wait for the manufactures to pick this up and make it more mainstream. Some might think this is a good thing, and terminally, it is, but if you plan to eat your meat or feed it to your kids .300blk will do just fine inside 150 while preserving more meat and not leaving tunnels of sharp chunks most of the time. Good news is, the ammo shouldnt be difficult to get. Its accurate, reliable, and effective. 2200FPS with the Barnes 110 (again, 8.5 barrel) has GREATER energy at any range, than the 300gr .44 Mag max load shown on Hodgdons site. Proof in the Pudding: Wilson Combat 300 Ham'r Takes a Bull Elk If I had to have an AR for hunting medium to large game it would be an AR-10 in .308W. So what was the verdict on this??? I feel some forget shot placement. The test rifle was a Lightweight Hunter equipped with a Trijicon 3-9x 40mm AccuPoint scope, one of five Wilson AR-15 models offered in .300 HAMR. 30-06, .300WM, poor shot placement or miss, that animal isnt done. 150gr Speer FNHC #2011 (for the largest game the cartridge is suitable for) If you look at Barnes data for the 300BO, which is on their site, for free, 2400+FPS is possible with the 110 and a 16 barrel. As was already mentioned earlier, it's pretty hard to best 300BLK in sub 10" barrels. Wolfe Publishing Company | 2180 Gulfstream Suite A | Prescott, AZ 86301. r/ar15 on Reddit: What barrel length is best for 300 blk i know i heard This round extends the range & lethality of the old 30-30 which has accounted for more game than likely any caliber. Havent seen one in years. Opening my pig up, a well as one another hunter had shot, I found the wound channels to be exactly what you would expect. As said, 300 HAMR is SAAMI, so development will be documented by major industry component suppliers. Has an COL of 2.260 inches, so it functions in an AR-15 magazine. Black Hills Ammunition in South Dakota plans to offer ammunition in early 2019. Accuracy * * * * * To me it is a winner and fun to shot . Being an avid hunter, my primary interest was terminal performance, and the .300 Whisper just didnt get the job done for me. . It shouldnt be. Still nothing is wrong with having lots of choices. It cant replace Blackout as a subsonic, but its dang sure replaced for me otherwise. With a 16.25-inch barrel, the .300 Ham'r sends a Sierra 110-grain hollowpoint to 2,600 fps with 1,651 ft-lbs. The problem with Wilson Combat is they obviously love their guns so much that they dont want to sell them. Recoil Test: .300 HAM'R vs .30-30 WIN - YouTube In a far more polite way, he replied, Duh, suggesting I read the background information. (Wilson offers over 20 different chamberings for its AR-platform guns). An AR that matches its terminal performance might just be the perfect marriage of cartridge and rifle. Of course, one advantage of the .300 HAMR over, say, the .458 HAMR, is lighter recoil. Ive personally killed well over 100 game animals with Winchester, Henry, and Marlin .30-30s. 125 grain weight; ~2510 fps velocity; ~1750 ft. lbs. 3. Review: Hi-Point JXP 10mm An Overgrown Yeet Canon Thats a Lot of Fun! Utilizing the light weigh platform of the AR-15, the HAMR puts the AR in the same class as the venerable 30-30 Winchester. With the .300 Blackout, which was designed to fire both super and subsonic. I shot several pigs during three days and one night, when we ventured forth with Bills night-vision binoculars and one of his suppressor-equipped 6.8 SPCs with a night-vision scope. Im not a .44 Mag expert, but I would *assume* that .44 load is considered suitable for elk and at least black bear. Instead it uses a case .044-inch larger in diameter, reducing AR-15 magazine capacity about 17 percent. Bill says its been dropping Arkansas wild hogs like bad habits. It's been about 3 years since I've had to load .300BLK or 5.56 (divorce, move, surgeries so I didn't shoot as much over this time frame). Even the most recoil-sensitive shooters will shoot this gun well. If you reload, the 300 Hamr is cheaper to plink, and cheaper to hunt with, than the 7.62X39. If Im looking for a serious medium game hun ting rou nd in the A R 15 platform Id probably just go with the 6.8spc. Wilson Combat's 300 HAM'R addresses CQB with Lehigh Defense's Controlled Chaos bullets and 300-yards with hunting bullets from 110 to 150 grains. Armor-Tuff Finish applied over Mil-Spec Hard Anodized Upper/Lower Receivers (Green/Black Standard Forest Camo Optional) I have, but theyre a rare sight here. The Mission of Cheaper Than Dirt! Both have merits. Wilson Combat= Bragging rights. People prefer to hunt with them because they are accurate, reliable, and highly modular. Thats a real difference. (Hornady InterLocks Ive recovered from big game have retained an average of about half their weight, give or take 10 percent.). Their shape is naturally more efficient for using energy. I hung up both my .270 Win & 7mm this season. For most of them, the answer was no. Gold $$ Contributor. Twenty-first-century America seems to be crowded with trending lists, and for many hunters feral pigs rank right up there. Been shooting nothing but the 300 HAMR for whitetail this season. The .300 Hamr has noticeable velocity and energy advantages over factory .300 Blackout rounds at the muzzle. I almost bought/built a .300 BLK upper last year but got distracted. just another solution looking for a problem.. your hornady book must be different from mine. Send children to retrieve it. Several cartridges have attempted to do just that. of energy. While the suppressor muffled the report, the rest of the pigs immediately ran for the nearest brush due to hearing the rifles action cycling. I have a 12.5 inch Noveske 6.8 upper from years ago, with a stash of 110 grain Barnes from Silver State Armory. Spend $3,700 on a gun to shoot ammo that you cant find . If subsonic shooting is what makes your heart go pitter patter, go with the Blackout; it may be the best subsonic cartridge of all time. These days we have plenty of powders for zippy rifle rounds, but relatively few for more moderate cartridges. Please read the entire post below before replying. Or vice versa. This is the stripped-down, lightweight hunting rig that Bill keeps strapped to his Kawasaki Mule or in his vehicle when hes around the ranch for hog eradication. The .300 Blackout (center) and the .300 HAMR (right) are both AR-15 compatible, .30-caliber cartridges, designed to offer a level of performance unobtainable with the .223 Remington (left). Not surprisingly, the monolithic Lehigh 110-grain bullet penetrated deepest (9 inches) while retaining 89 percent of its weight. You dont say what youre comparing exactly but it looks like 300 HamR vs 308win? That settled that. Hunterswanted a better cartridge for big game, and certain elements of the militaryconsidered replacement of the 5.56 NATO. They vary from 6 pounds to 6 pounds, 7 ounces in weight without a scope and mounts, though one model, the Ranch Rifle Package, comes with a 3-9x 40mm Trijicon. Let us know your thoughts in the comments below. It works as advertised, Way out of my price range. If you are buying commercial, not much out there is cheaper than surplus steel case 7.62X39. The .300 HAM'R benefits from using magazines designed for the .300 BLK. As the Valkyrie is a necked down 6.8SPC, which has the 30 Remington as a parent case Wilson also recognized the rise of the AR-15 and entered that market. So, he set out to make a round that would duplicate the old workhorse .30-30 in an AR-15 platform rifle. It shoots really well and I get sub moa if I do my part. It is a loser at everything, a winner at nothing. CCI450 The Armor-Tuff finish is applied thoroughly and evenly over an anodized receiver set. Recoil is virtually non-existent. does any of this sound familiar?? I never saw one cleaned or lubed in any way, and we stayed there on the property. Constructor Private. And in answer to your question, zero. I also witnessed box after box fired through the same gun with multiple shooters. Mr. Clark, neither of the companies youve listed make a firearm in this caliber. How does this compare to the 350 legend? Im shooting 135gr FTX bullets from Hornady. Hell, Ive been paying them for about 15 years now. So while the .300 HAMR is not a long-range hunting round, it works beyond woods ranges.. and i can use the same bullet to load in my 3o-06 even if i prefer a little heaver bullet for that . 150gr Sierra RN PH #2135 Both the 308 and 300 have good kicks as the 300 and the 308 can boast of a force at least 20ft.lbs. AS YOU CAN SEE THE 300 HAM'R HAS A SOLID 300FPS VELOCITY AND A 400FP ENERGY ADVANTAGE OVER FACTORY 300 BLACKOUT AT THE MUZZLE." "300 HAM'R vs 7.6239 BALLISTIC COMPARISON 300 HAM'R 16.25" Barrel Sierra 125gr SBT 2520FPS MV, 1763FP ME Hornady 150gr SST 2240FPS MV, 1671FP ME 7.6239 16.25" Barrel Remington 125gr Cor-Lokt 2365FPS MV, 1552FP ME