grimtraveller,It's not a problem for me for you to be Skeptical of me.If you're not interested what I tweet on Twitter about The Charles Manson Family & Saga, again, no problem for me.Thanks for your replies back to me.Mario George Nitrini 111-------The OJ Simpson Case. That sounds like a made up name. Now, we have 2 men claiming to be the driver of the white sports car on the night of the LaBianca killings and a virtual "after hours" Cielo party involving Robert Linkletter, Charlie, the mystery partner and Reeve Whitson.Blimey !In spite of his disclaimer to Rosenfelt, I think he was part of the plot to kill them and subsequently got involved in the subsequent cover-up of the role of the CIA and military intelligence in the murders. Ruth Wilson recently opened up more about why she left The Affair and claimed that she didn't feel safe on set. He said it was Reeve who brought him to Bugliosi during the investigation. Charles Manson Case - Who Was Reeve Whitson? - YouTube Now Manson is a "secret agent"? . The Tate-LaBianca Homicide Research Blog: Reeve Whitson Being arrested is not an offence let alone proof of guilt, let alone a conviction. And it just lingers in cyberspace and in time, becomes accepted as some kind of unshakable truth. I am in Chapter 6, when Reeve Whitson is just being introduced as the cryptic CIA agent "He used his thumbnail to tear the top-right-hand corner of every piece of paper he handled, to mark it. Whitson was apparently an enigmatic figure, but counted among his friends a large segment of Hollywood and business. The Manson Family Blog - Tate LaBianca Murders - TLB - True Crime Grim glad youre back, where have you been?Odd coincidence do you guys know the judge in the Green River Killer, Gary Ridgway was Richard Jones, Quincy Jones brother. He was a marginally employed and only marginally sane police groupie. I asked about it. hbbd```b`` WA$#. Jul 13, 2020. It came with the house. [Irvin is talking about Reeve Whitson - Ed.] William Weston said Hatami also told ONeill that he first heard about the murders from Reeve. His mother was a dancer and his father was a world-renowned acrobat. Reeve Whitson? This was essential because Sharon and Jay might have put up quite a fight with their martial arts skills acquired from training by the master Bruce Lee. its being called 'Havana Syndrome' and its Believed it was caused by secret sonic weaponry now being called out in a new investigation. Not the bad eye, the good eye. View the profiles of people named Reeve Whitson on Facebook. Frankly, if I was afraid of any comeback, I wouldn't even be getting involved in an on~line discussion that anyone in the world with an internet connection could chance upon. Some people have a fairly good memory recall; of the death troupe, Susan & Linda seemed to. Reeve Whitson was born on March 25, 1931. Her Aunt says my friend knew several foreign languages and had a photographic memory back then. The following book about the Nazis, published in 1961 shows this fact on page 1 where the title and name of Reeve Whitson appears. "Yes, it's true, there was a flag draped over the back of the sofa. This will always be among the alternatives greatest weakness ~ plus the sheer number allied with the non existence of hard corroborative evidence. Melcher told me he had no memory of it. I wouldn't believe a word that came out of his mouth. He saw Reeve later that night.Since Reeve Whitson was at the house the night before the murders, when was he there? Was Charles Manson a CIA lab rat? | by Justin Ward | Medium Vera Dreiser said Where'd ya learn that, Grim? That is a great question, Katie. Moorehouse said hed lived at Cielo off and on throughout the summer of 68, when Melcher was there. According to Bugliosi, p. 85, the time was between 7:30 and 8:00. And has anybody seen Bugliosi's OJ Special ("OJ Simpson: 100% Guilty")? Chapter 11 - Mind Control; Chapter 10 - The Haight-Ashbury Free Medical Clinic; Chapter 9 - Manson's Get-Out-of-Jail-Free Card; Chapter 8 - The Lawyer Swap; Chapter 7 - Neutralizing the Left; Chapter 6 - Who Was . "pg190Neil Cummings, lawyer friend of Whitson: "when it came to Manson, he "was closer to it than anybody..""He was actively involved with some sort of investigation when it happened. I hardly think she was looking at furnishings in the house when Tex "sic'd her" on the residents. I don't buy into Bugliosis's Helter Skelter narrative however some of the girls have attested to This. Got a link? Chapter 8 - The Lawyer Swap Podcast Chaos: Charles Manson, the CIA What mystery within a mystery gnaws at you the most? If LE and the CIA were so powerful, why didn't they just pin it on the innocent ? But can you tell me where you read that Mike Deasy attacked Charles Manson with a pitchfork at Spahn's Ranch?I've never said that I read this. pg201"Reeve was my main person to help me," PJ Tate said. I don't advocate people calling you names as has happened on this and another site and in fact, as you know, I defend you on that. "Not every detail in "Helter Skelter" is correct. According to Bobby Jameson on his blog, he and his friend Harvey Dareff were at or near the Tate house the night before the murders. bill on Twitter: "Let's talk about Reeve Whitson." / Twitter That's not in any doubt. If I had, they probably would have run to a lot more posts than the many that certain of the threads did ! It's a similar story regarding where the LaBiancas lived, what with all the rumours and theories about Leno moaning about the noise from Harold True's house or chewing out Charlie ~ when a bit of checking will reveal that it never happened. What's very interesting to me is why was Charlie, a career criminal ON PAROLE, repeatedly released when arrested with drugs, prostituting young girls, possession of stolen property, speeding and leaving the state. I'm currently reading it and it is fantastic, notwithstanding the spelling and punctuation errors and wrong dates here and there. This cannot be correct. I have the trial transcripts and Rudi Altobelli confirms the dates of who moved in and out and when and who was in the main and guest houses between Melcher's departure and the Polanskis arrival. Would he be sent back to jail for speeding ? "pg203John Irvin, British film director: "Whitson had very good connections with the Los Angeles Sheriff's Office. Really? Why would a person working in a top-secret division of the CIA give his real name and identity out to almost everyone? I'm not getting that from Helter Skelter, I'm getting that from Candace Bergen's auto-bio. Anyone that engages with me should by now know that at the very least, notwithstanding my style and sense of humour {or lack thereof !} Whitson though is mentioned in literature on the web as being at least associated with the CIA. Manson says the program was meant to "keep him out of jail." Extended interview: 50 years after the Manson - The Georgia Straight He told me he was there after the murders, but before the police got there. In the Sanders book that I have it says Hearst delivered the bike between 6.30 and 7.30 which, according to Hearst is accurate as he testified arriving "about 7.00pm" and left "about 7.20. -Excerpt from Sharon Tate - A Life by Ed Sanders "Hatami told me he has no memory at all of Manson coming to the front door of Cielo Drive, but that the memory was suggested to him by an investigator named Reeve Whitson, who worked for both Col. Paul Tate and the prosecutor Vince Bugliosi." Not now, however. They weren't there particularly long and so people trying to weave the "someone rearranged the scene afterwards" line of thought is onto a loser if they try to utilize the memories of the killers and how they left the scene. Delivering arms, drugs, people, children were his usual business. My book, CHAOS: Charles Manson, the CIA, and the Secret History of the Sixties, covers a lot of ground, police and prosecutor corruption, secret and mostly illegal government counterintelligence operations against American citizens (like the CIA's MKUltra and CHAOS, and the FBI's COINTELPRO), and, yes, the Manson Family murders of 1969. A.F.S., Colonia Dignidad, von Braun, Kissinger, Ruby, and Giancana are some of the major players. The first car he asked about was Abigail's. 2. In fact, it's Bugliosi that brings out the fact that Whitson was with Hatami and his part in all the proceedings is as relevant as any flies that may have been in the office at the time. I would love to publish my book but I wrote it a certain way and don't want it to be cut up amd I don't want to be sued. Chaos: Charles Manson, the CIA, and the Secret History of the Sixties; Prologue (Video) Epilogue; Chapter 12 - Where Does It All Go? The Manson Murders, JFK, 9/11, and the Psychopathy of Power He was very, very helpful. Grim said,The most immediate thing to notice is that Hatami only mentions Whitson once and even then, only because he's asked who he came to Bugliosi's office with. I saw footage of Manson the other day claiming he'd gone up to the Tate house before Chapman arrived to "see what my children had done." He got a call at 7 a.m. on Aug. 9, 1969 from an acquaintance named Reeve Whitson, whom Hatami described as a "mystery man." O'Neill found this characterization was universal among Whitson's. It's almost inevitable, however, even if only in a small way but I get wary eventually, if I find myself saying the same thing again and again.Incidentally, big thanks to you for mentioning the "Inside the Manson jury" book by Herman Tubick. My book is easy to read that's the way I intended it to be and that's why I don't want anyone cutting it up. O'Neill said he got his copy of the book from another journalist. endstream endobj 78 0 obj <>/Metadata 16 0 R/Outlines 28 0 R/PageLabels 73 0 R/Pages 75 0 R/StructTreeRoot 29 0 R/Type/Catalog/ViewerPreferences<>>> endobj 79 0 obj <. Hatami mentioned the name Reeve Whitson four times in his testimony at the Manson trial. The documentary itself raises more questions than it answers and can't shed a positive light on the investigation, which was one of its goals. Some sources report that Susan Atkins didn't do any stabbing that she called upon Tex to do it for her. No way this guy was just there to watch. I agree Beauders. Take a person (Krenwinkel) with an IQ just barely in the 3 digits to begin with and add in the hallucinogens, pot and babblings of a man she's in love with (Manson) and you've got a woman operating on a bowl of porridge for brains, katie8753 said "I've gotta say, I agree with Mon on this one. I can imagine him being scared shitless, looking out of a window, realizing something VERY bad was going down, and just shutting down. I thought you surpassed yourself in bringing in such an authority as Quincy Jones to tell us all how Sharon's Dad led the investigators to Charles Manson.but Neil Cummings ! And, if you look at the police reports, there are those who claim to have heard male voices outside hours after Watson, et al. I would love it if Stephen Kay wrote a memoir, not just for the Manson stuff but because he nailed that scumbag Lawrence Bittaker. I am considering just putting it online and having a donation fixture. However, I am not disputing O'Neill's sources. Whitson had worked in Central America during the late 50s, close to the Folger Company's offices (Ecuador?). I don't see how O'Neill could have put that in his text without appearing overly pedanticYeah, I can see that. He boasted about his activities in South America, for instance his involvement in the capture of Che Guevara . Whitson could have gone into the house after Manson and his partner left, perhaps to perform necessary but mundane tasks such as removing bugs from the telephone and/or other places before the police arrivedAnd got in a quick call to Hatami !Well, for 50 years, we've had a sackful of those that were "supposed" to be at Cielo that night. "I was only 19 at the time. These papers are in the Eisenhower Presidential Library in Abeliene, Kansas. And then there was the investigation he helped Col. Tate conduct. How did O'Neill get the transcript to the book, I heard Debra had it? O'Neill also quotes the LAPD's Lt. Helder, who refers to Whitson in the book "Five Down at Cielo Dr" under a pseudonym "Walter Kern," confirmed by LaJeunesse. She was probably 3 sheets to the wind at the time. "I did not mean the 'scene' of the crime, rather the general milieu around crime scene before and after. Reeve Whitson was born March 25, 1931. Reeve Whitson Photos and Premium High Res Pictures - Getty Images We know that Moorehouse was convicted in 1991 of "lewd and lascivious acts on a child under 14." Neutralizing the Left The Lawyer Swap Manson's Get-Out-of-Jail-Free Card The Haight-Ashbury Free Medical Clinic Mind Control Where Does It All Go? Perhaps Manson thought he could recruit me at some point?Who knows?But I will tell you this. I did not mean the 'scene' of the crime, rather the general milieu around crime scene before and afterI wondered about that but it works either way. But SMOOOCH to you!!!! %%EOF Just read Joseph Trento's book, SECRET HISTORY OF THE CIA.Reeve Whitson was involved with the TLB case. I've used it myself. LOL. Either way it's impressive. I knew this long before O'Neill's book came out. It didn't seem to be a secret when it should have been A search of Whitson's extended acrobatic family shows a connection with the OSS, and CIA in their foreign travels with the USO. Basically a long winded version of what I said, Chapman said it was there. . Bums don't earn a living with a paying job, they just move from camp to camp and sponge off folks.If Moorehouse lived at Cielo Drive when Melcher was there, it's news to me. LONG before O'Neill's book CHAOS came out, I was tracking Reeve Whitson because his name came up in the ORIGINAL Tate-Labianca trial transcripts. In my research into a close friend's father (Elwood "Red" Franklin Williams) that was active in the Laurel Canyon activities back then, I found much of Red's info matched the info on Whitson.
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